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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/196778832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#196778832">(May 07 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm happy to see this stream created, i've had it on my mind to come back to the conversation about how to sustain development on the reference.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/196778894" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#196778894">(May 07 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I was also wondering whether it should show up in the <a class="stream-topic" data-stream-id="213817" href="/#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/prioritization">#t-lang &gt; prioritization</a> document...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/196778944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#196778944">(May 07 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., some kind of goal around "completeness" as something we are actively working towards</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/196778971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#196778971">(May 07 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the biggest question is "personpower" -- who is going to organize and promote this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197035766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Lew <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197035766">(May 10 2020 at 05:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>personally i think rust reference has a lot in common with rustc-dev-guide. If reference is work half-way towards language specification, then rustc-dev-guide is work half-way towards implementation specification :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197035902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Lew <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197035902">(May 10 2020 at 06:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>i mean, "reference implementation" specification, lol</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197246551" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> isHavvy <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197246551">(May 12 2020 at 08:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>If I knew how to organize this, I might be able to get the energy to actually do this. I've been floundering on what to do lately, so getting back to the Reference could be an energizing change of pace.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292311">(May 12 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thought I had is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292340">(May 12 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>well i've been thinking about lang team prioritization in general</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292360">(May 12 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I think that it would be good to have some goals around the roadmap</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292416" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292416">(May 12 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I've been a bit reluctant because I don't know want to commit people etc without an idea of how we'll achieve it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292447" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292447">(May 12 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wondered if a design meeting might be useful to discuss, but probably better to start async</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292496">(May 12 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>what we've been doing in <a class="stream" data-stream-id="144729" href="/#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits">#wg-traits</a> is taking a "sprint-like" approach, where we set some overall goals and then each 6 weeks we kind of outline some themes etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292575" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292575">(May 12 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like it'd be helpful to talk about what a good "goal" for the reference is and what it would take to get there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292610" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292610">(May 12 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>it will take somebody who wants to put in some org. energy though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292643" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292643">(May 12 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know I cannot do that because of ETOOMANYTHINGS</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292674" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292674">(May 12 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not clear how much work it has to be I guess, doesn't have to be a breakneck pace</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292795" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292795">(May 12 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd really like to hear a bit on what kind of things would be useful to people working on the roadmap in terms of invlolvement from lang team. I imagine more active help on reviewing etc might be on the list...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197292829" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197292829">(May 12 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me feels guilty about some reference PRs he hasn't provided feedback on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197306933" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Eric Huss <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197306933">(May 12 2020 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Reviewers would be a good first step, since without reviews, things go nowhere.  FWIW, I have context on all of the open PRs since I recently reviewed all of them.  If any lang members want to help, I can provide some context on the existing PRs.  I also have opinions about broader topics, such as the goals of the reference, if anyone wants to discuss that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197324520" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197324520">(May 12 2020 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Start small, just pick <em>one</em> normative statement about the language to officially stabilize as being normative :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting%20organized/near/197326336" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Lew <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/237824-t-lang/doc/topic/getting.20organized.html#197326336">(May 12 2020 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or simply just add three chapters called "Scope", "Conformance" and "Normative References" in the beginning of the reference. (Just joking).</p>



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